I've worked my way up to ambivalence with her. I used to get annoyed at the sight of her, but now I can must up a simple,"meh." It's definitely the kind of film that was made watchable by the performances (Black Swan was the same way, I think); if any of the casting of the two leads had gone wrong, the whole thing wouldn't have worked.
She tries to avoid it, but sometimes he purposely hides her underwear. Those are days they stay home.
Oh, definitely. There's an anon fandom community where that was addressed, actually, in a thread about things you want to tell your fandom. As they put it, "A character's anger over their family being murdered does not translate to wanting to have sex with the man who did it." They then added that Nazis are only hot when they're on fire. I just cannot wrap my mind around it. I just can't. I try and it ends in frustration, and that's just setting aside the fact that she's Jewish and focusing on the whole murdered-her-family angle. In the most recent LJ S/F debacle, I posted my feelings and got a response that still irks me: http://pics.livejournal.com/suspiriorum/pic/001dcwfe Also, apparently, according to one comment, Landa/Shosanna makes sense in the antagonist/protagonist way, but they were shocked to find out that Shosanna/Fredrick was the main pairing in the fandom. The girl who flipped out at me is the big H/S shipper here and on tumblr. It may still be in the recesses of my gmail, but she even made a graphic to demonstrate how much what I said didn't bother her (though it clearly did. a lot). She has this strange hatred of Dan because of the whole delightful "discovered each other" thing and because of QT's quotes on S/F and their audition (she seems convinced that Mel and August are in love with each other, too). She also has this elaborate back-story on how Shosanna and Hellstrom were ~secret lovers before the war or something, never minding the fact that it's ooc and goes against canon. I think once you're at that point, much like deciding to put Indiana Jones on Mars, you're better off writing your own story with your own characters instead of contorting them into pretzels to fit your fantasies.
What I find most interesting to see in fiction with WWII (which isn't depicted enough) are how the average citizen survived and post-war stories. I suppose it's an extension of the influence of KFAD, but as a co-worker succinctly put it, "The real story starts after the end credits." In my research, I was amazed and appalled at the methods the Resistance used to fight back, such as making female members "befriend" German soldiers in order to convince them to desert. Then, on Liberation Day, women who were seen in the company of Germans (even in the same proximity as one) were publicly punished and humiliated. Vigilante justice against anyone considered a collaborator was carried out up through as late as 1946. Then there was the treatment of Germany after the war. When it took place during the war, it focused on Aviva as a leader of a group of misfits who were helped in part by Edwige Molyneux (in this incarnation, Genevieve was her daughter, rather than her sister), which tied into the Gestapo Major who had his own connection to Edwige. Manfried was a soldier Aviva only briefly met in the opening, until later, when they meet again. He then became a part of her group. It was all very involved and too much going on. The more and more I plotted it out, the more the focus turned from A/M to other plotlines. On top of that, there was no way for it to realistically end without being a total downer. I panicked a bit when I decided to make such drastic changes, but it was for the best. With a smaller group of characters, I can focus on Aviva and Manfried to better tell their story, as well as do the others justice. It also gave me the chance to show how the war has impacted them all, and to an extent, how hard it is to let go and return to their lives as they were before (which, for those such as Aviva and Manfried, is nearly impossible).
It totally is! Their whole relationship is like a Tom Waits song.
Omg, I can totally relate to that. Some days are better than others when it comes to being able to focus.
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It's definitely the kind of film that was made watchable by the performances (Black Swan was the same way, I think); if any of the casting of the two leads had gone wrong, the whole thing wouldn't have worked.
She tries to avoid it, but sometimes he purposely hides her underwear. Those are days they stay home.Oh, definitely. There's an anon fandom community where that was addressed, actually, in a thread about things you want to tell your fandom. As they put it, "A character's anger over their family being murdered does not translate to wanting to have sex with the man who did it." They then added that Nazis are only hot when they're on fire.
I just cannot wrap my mind around it. I just can't. I try and it ends in frustration, and that's just setting aside the fact that she's Jewish and focusing on the whole murdered-her-family angle.
In the most recent LJ S/F debacle, I posted my feelings and got a response that still irks me: http://pics.livejournal.com/suspiriorum/pic/001dcwfe
Also, apparently, according to one comment, Landa/Shosanna makes sense in the antagonist/protagonist way, but they were shocked to find out that Shosanna/Fredrick was the main pairing in the fandom.
The girl who flipped out at me is the big H/S shipper here and on tumblr. It may still be in the recesses of my gmail, but she even made a graphic to demonstrate how much what I said didn't bother her (though it clearly did. a lot). She has this strange hatred of Dan because of the whole delightful "discovered each other" thing and because of QT's quotes on S/F and their audition (she seems convinced that Mel and August are in love with each other, too). She also has this elaborate back-story on how Shosanna and Hellstrom were ~secret lovers before the war or something, never minding the fact that it's ooc and goes against canon. I think once you're at that point, much like deciding to put Indiana Jones on Mars, you're better off writing your own story with your own characters instead of contorting them into pretzels to fit your fantasies.
What I find most interesting to see in fiction with WWII (which isn't depicted enough) are how the average citizen survived and post-war stories. I suppose it's an extension of the influence of KFAD, but as a co-worker succinctly put it, "The real story starts after the end credits."
In my research, I was amazed and appalled at the methods the Resistance used to fight back, such as making female members "befriend" German soldiers in order to convince them to desert. Then, on Liberation Day, women who were seen in the company of Germans (even in the same proximity as one) were publicly punished and humiliated. Vigilante justice against anyone considered a collaborator was carried out up through as late as 1946. Then there was the treatment of Germany after the war.
When it took place during the war, it focused on Aviva as a leader of a group of misfits who were helped in part by Edwige Molyneux (in this incarnation, Genevieve was her daughter, rather than her sister), which tied into the Gestapo Major who had his own connection to Edwige. Manfried was a soldier Aviva only briefly met in the opening, until later, when they meet again. He then became a part of her group. It was all very involved and too much going on. The more and more I plotted it out, the more the focus turned from A/M to other plotlines. On top of that, there was no way for it to realistically end without being a total downer.
I panicked a bit when I decided to make such drastic changes, but it was for the best. With a smaller group of characters, I can focus on Aviva and Manfried to better tell their story, as well as do the others justice. It also gave me the chance to show how the war has impacted them all, and to an extent, how hard it is to let go and return to their lives as they were before (which, for those such as Aviva and Manfried, is nearly impossible).
It totally is! Their whole relationship is like a Tom Waits song.
Omg, I can totally relate to that. Some days are better than others when it comes to being able to focus.
Aw, I don't mind. It's appropriately fitting!