[identity profile] gapingheadwound.livejournal.com 2009-09-29 06:07 am (UTC)(link)
Oh yeah, I don't disagree with you there. And also, Roth going on about how it was so artistically freeing made me laugh so hard I thought I was going to throw up, because SERIOUSLY. SERIOUSLY? OH MY ACTUAL GOD. (Pro-est of tips, Eli, you don't get to co-opt terminology from third-wave feminism when you still seem to have trouble seeing women as people.) And I mean, yeah, ONTD has been referring to him as their "rebound skank" (after whatever went down with ASkars, which I'm not clear on?), but you're right that the issue is very different.

And oh man, the hairband/Sunset Strip scene is actually where I started getting weirdly obsessed with groupie culture. That whole thing is so bizarre. There used to be this online magazine: Metal Sludge? And it had this crazy letter column called "Donna's Ho Bag"? and it was seriously ridiculous. And mostly made up of everybody making fun of the guys they slept with. Except Rikki Rocket, of whom everyone was weirdly fond.

And vaguely on topic, but not entirely about groupie culture, but definitely where it and fangirl culture collides, have you ever read Caroline Sullivan's Bye Bye Baby: My Tragic Love Affair With The Bay City Rollers? It is seriously kind of amazing.
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[identity profile] suspiriorum.livejournal.com 2009-09-29 07:21 am (UTC)(link)
He made it sound as though as he had obtained enlightenment when all he accomplished was getting nudes from pliable young women. And then for some reason, Roth thinks it's a compliment to tell them he's jerking off to them? He seriously thinks that Hostel 2 is a feminist film and that it's not homophobic to call someone 'faggot.'
And then he gets all upset when his jackassery is pointed out to him. I have only seen Cabin Fever once, but I found a fantastic review that articulately summarizes his misogyny and perhaps, fear of women: By having Ryder Strong's character attempting to finger Jordan Ladd underneath a blanket, only to realize he had his fingers in a gaping wound on her upper thigh.

ONTD's issue with ASkars is that he's dating his co-star, Evan Rachel Wood. Apparently, she's an evil whore to them. Another issue with the Eli debacle: So many were quick to send him nudes, but ONTD will gladly berate any woman celebrity who has ever been nude; particularly Vanessa Hudgens, whose private nudes taken for her boyfriend were leaked everywhere. And to top it off, Vanessa was the one who had to publicly apologize for something that wasn't her fault. Indeed, one must be careful with nudes/sex tapes, but to berate someone for something that was initially kept private between two consenting individuals and then send nudes to someone with an ounce of celebrity (especially one who shares them with anyone) is delightful hypocrisy.

I love Metal Sludge! I used to lurk the forums because of many of the users. Most were mellowed out, middle-aged metalheads who discussed everything, from their teen years, groupie stories, to even real estate. One of my favorite users was a divorced mother who grew pot in her closet and kept her groupie activities to a simple crush on Clive Owen. No matter what generation, however, Nikki Sixx still appears to be the Holy Grail of most groupies. And because of Metal Sludge, I end up watching The Decline of Western Civilization Civilization Part II: The Metal Years a little too much on google video.

I haven't, but that sounds interesting! I never thought of the Bay City Rollers like that, to be honest. They just seem too sweet and non-sexual.

[identity profile] gapingheadwound.livejournal.com 2009-09-29 07:27 am (UTC)(link)
It's kind of impressive how he can make such horribly anti-woman films that still manage to pass the Bechdel test.

I had no idea what the issue was with ASkars, and OH KIDS. I wonder if this will change anyone's opinion there about celebrity nudes now. Because uh. Yeah.

I never really hung out at Metal Sludge, just read a bunch of stuff. And oh man, Nikki Sixx. (Which, ps. things I'm still not over: the guy who ghostwrote The Dirt is Neil Strauss. You know, of PUA fame.)
ext_439487: Quentin Tarantino's tragic lovers (Acting on your best behaviour)

[identity profile] suspiriorum.livejournal.com 2009-09-29 07:38 am (UTC)(link)
I'm going to waste hours of life at http://bechdel.nullium.net/. I'm sure some films I love will end up making me cringe (not so bad, I suppose).

The only crime of Evan Rachel Wood's is dating Marilyn Manson after he left Dita Von Teese. It was an admittedly shitty situation, but Evan was 19 at the time, Manson is no longer relevant, so who cares, right? They've been on a roll lately, what with shaming rape victims and such.

OH GAWD. I didn't know that! I still hang around on what is now a former Courtney Love forum, and the place exploded when it was posted that Strauss was dating her guitarist (who then dumped him for Robbie Williams). It's fitting that he'd ghostwrite The Dirt.

[identity profile] gapingheadwound.livejournal.com 2009-09-29 08:05 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I was always kind of skeeved out by the Manson/Wood thing, because waaaay too young for you, dude. But she always seemed pretty all right. I hate when people get all angry and hatey over a famous person's SO. I am so like "This just in: even if he wasn't dating someone, he still probably wouldn't fuck you. HE DOESN'T EVEN KNOW YOU."
ext_439487: Quentin Tarantino's tragic lovers (I can feel the weight deep down below)

[identity profile] suspiriorum.livejournal.com 2009-09-30 12:57 am (UTC)(link)
I was pretty disgusted by their relationship, too, and I was anticipating her finally finding someone more age appropriate/not Manson (who is yet another man-child who tries too hard to be controversial). Also, according to ONTD, if there's already a famous woman who dresses like its the '40s, then no one else can dress like that, either.

Freakouts over celeb S.O.s reminds me of the crazies over in the Supernatural fandom; there was a convention and the actors were there, along with their girlfriends. Fans actually claimed that their girlfriends were ruining the 'fan experience'. One of them prided herself on calling security on Jensen Ackles' girlfriend.

[identity profile] gapingheadwound.livejournal.com 2009-09-30 01:00 am (UTC)(link)
Oh, god. I remember that. SPN fandom is kind of insane like that. Then again, weren't the people involved also insane J2 tinhats?
ext_439487: Quentin Tarantino's tragic lovers (Everybody wants to rule the world)

[identity profile] suspiriorum.livejournal.com 2009-09-30 01:40 am (UTC)(link)
Indeed they are. One of my close friends is a big fan of the show and she had no idea about the insanity permeating SPN fandom (or the Wincest, for that matter). She just made a D: face when I told her all about it. In general, I find a small corner of a fandom of choice to stay in; then when I venture out of it and into the fandom as a whole, I become horrified and go running back to my corner.